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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1031
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:32:00 -
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If he resigns he throws away the votes of over 10,000 subscribers who chose him to represent them to CCP.
He said some dumb ****, he apologized for it, move on. If anything he should apologize for being horribly unfunny and for giving a really lazy presentation  |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1043
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:46:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted.
Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life.
CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine.
As the person who sat with him at the fish restaurant a day before his presentation going over his notes I can field this one a little bit. I mean either take what I'm saying at face value or not, it doesn't matter much, but I'm not really known for making stuff up so here you go.
It wasn't somebody trying to be edgy or even king of space'y, or was somebody trying to be funny and not realizing that what is funny to some could be really insulting to others. The whole alliance presentation was a disaster before it even began because it consisted of unfunny chatlogs being read aloud which wasn't terribly helpful, but you should have seen the thread he posted looking for ideas on our forum which wasn't a whole lot of help either. So he collected what we found funny as a subgroup of eve, tears in chatlogs, and read them to show what kinds of letters he gets in response to our in game activities by people who take the game way too seriously.
The guy who got super mad that we blew up his spaceship did in fact send him a letter full of drama saying he was going to do this or that and frankly Mittens should have forwarded it to CCP and authorities so the guy could have had his account banned and received the proper help if he really needed it. It was a poor choice of logs to read aloud during this event for many reasons, but for many of us the biggest reason is reading chatlogs isn't funny. It's not entertaining. Who the hell wants to hear some dude read a bunch of logs?
I think he should be banned from giving Alliance presentations for those reasons but he's done a fantastic job as a CSM and that should be the end of it. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1043
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers.
Is there a difference? |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1043
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:55:00 -
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Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter.
So what you're saying is he doesn't have your vote next time? |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1050
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:08:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote:Vile rat wrote:As the person who sat with him at the fish restaurant a day before his presentation going over his notes I can field this one a little bit. I mean either take what I'm saying at face value or not, it doesn't matter much, but I'm not really known for making stuff up so here you go.
It wasn't somebody trying to be edgy or even king of space'y, or was somebody trying to be funny and not realizing that what is funny to some could be really insulting to others. The whole alliance presentation was a disaster before it even began because it consisted of unfunny chatlogs being read aloud which wasn't terribly helpful, but you should have seen the thread he posted looking for ideas on our forum which wasn't a whole lot of help either. So he collected what we found funny as a subgroup of eve, tears in chatlogs, and read them to show what kinds of letters he gets in response to our in game activities by people who take the game way too seriously.
The guy who got super mad that we blew up his spaceship did in fact send him a letter full of drama saying he was going to do this or that and frankly Mittens should have forwarded it to CCP and authorities so the guy could have had his account banned and received the proper help if he really needed it. It was a poor choice of logs to read aloud during this event for many reasons, but for many of us the biggest reason is reading chatlogs isn't funny. It's not entertaining. Who the hell wants to hear some dude read a bunch of logs?
I think he should be banned from giving Alliance presentations for those reasons but he's done a fantastic job as a CSM and that should be the end of it. Its great that he does a good job in CSM and has a good reputation among friends. But its enough to do one small (or big) bad thing to kill all that reputation and smear his name forever. For the rest of it, poor choice of letters or chat logs, he should have been more careful, and saying that just for getting some laughts,that is just as sad. As a CSM chairman and someone who consider himself as a leader and decision maker in the game, he should have known better. Drunk and joking are bad excuses for that.
Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!
So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1050
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:09:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Vile rat wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers. Is there a difference? Well it strikes me that painting his election as 10,000 individual players voting for your beloved leader is a bit off the mark. Having votes tied to individual accounts creates opportunities to game the system. I'm just wondering what the largest power bloc in the game would do if you could buy votes for 450 million ISK...
Well it's not like he got on the CSM by telling people he'd buy them plex or scamming them for votes or anything. That was the other guy :) |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1052
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:14:00 -
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Selene Theron wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Selene Theron wrote:Zagdul wrote:Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet). There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone. If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo. I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials. Excuse me? Please point out to me where i said anything about me being an expert on that sort of stuff? I just said, he did the damage, now let him be a man and correct his mistakes. Thats all im saying. I didnt say there was only one. I say there is only one in my opinion brainiac.
Yep I saw only one option too. I wouldn't have sent the dude 10 b isk though, that was just dumb. He did apologize though so I'm satisfied. I suppose there will be those out there who aren't satisfied for a variety of reasons. Some just don't like him, they won't be satisfied until they've milked this of every bit of political go juice they can.
Some are really just mad as hell that in a game where people scam and ruin each others gameplay as an advertised matter of the sandbox, somebody can just send an overly emotional letter like that threatening out of game repercussions (suicide) over in game actions and do this with impunity. I think CCP really needs to consider BANNING THE PERSON WHO SENT HIM THIS LETTER IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:25:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Vile rat wrote:Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!
So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things. So one cancels the other out ehh?
Who's saying anything about cancelling out?
I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:31:00 -
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Haulin Aussie wrote:Vile rat wrote:
I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo.
Oh look. :CSM: and a goonswarm member. Wonder who you will side with 
The irony of you calling out which group I'm with isn't lost on me. I suppose that's all that matters when it comes to posts? |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:33:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Its nice that he does a great job. Super.
But if it was anyone else, more anonymous, calling even jokingly in an official CCP event or forum to abuse another person up to a point that he should kill himself, telling people "go for it!" and telling people where and how and encoureging, he would have gotten a ban faster than a speeding bullet (or the moment a GM finds out).
Being "the mittens" or on CSM only makes it worse, and it does not give him postive points against what he did.
Even if it was stupid and parially a joke, still being held accountable is a must. Else whole CCP EULA is just a joke at most.
Did he say he should kill himself or did he mock him for sending him an in game letter threatening to do out of game stuff in retaliation for Goonswarm blowing up his miners?
(it was the latter) |
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